ID bracelet, is that related to your
work?
Answer: I have MS, I also have degeneration of the retina. Its probably...
the exposure I got, the radio isotopes I have in me, its very probable that
my medical conditions are because of what I did. But I want to add, I knew
what I was doing, I was paid very well for it and I have no regrets.
Question: This is a stupid question but when they exploded that 5 and a half
million ton bomb underground, didnt that make a tremendous noise?
Answer: That was called Box Car, the name of that device was called Box Car.
I dont know how they name those things, they all have these strange names.
I was on that test. I was assigned to it. When Box Car was detonated, it was
5500 feet under the surface, 5 and a half million tons of TNT equivalent, a
device the size of...that log right there. Maybe a little shorter. Ground
zero lifted 400 feet for a half a mile radius straight up in the air. And
then came back down. What happened then underground would be, small or
large, is a cavern is created at the point where the weapon was detonated,
of various sizes depending on the size of the weapon. And then the ground
starts to slough in all the way to the top, sometimes, Box Car didnt
because it was too deep, and you have a crater on top. If you were to fly
over the Nevada Test Site, it looks just exactly like the moon. Precisely
like the surface of the moon. Theres hundreds of craters. To give you an
example, one device that was set off right after I got out there, in 1966,
actually came out of the ground, on purpose. 6.9 million cubic yards of dirt
came out of the ground, created a crater, in less than 2 seconds. Thats a
crater a quarter of a mile across and 500 feet deep.
Question: Unintelligible.
Answer: Yes, thats Hattiesburg, Miss. At one point we had a project out
there called Operation Plow Share. Operation Plow Share was designed to
create weapons that were capable digging another canal across the isthmus of
Panama. So we dug a canal out at the test site. Its about a mile long, a
hundred yards wide and its probably 400 feet deep. We used 5 nuclear
weapons buried at shallow depths to create this ditch, instant ditch, thats
what we used to call it. It was Operation Buggy. And not surprisingly, the
people of Panama took exception to us wanting to do that so we never did it.
But we tested it. That was very popular in the 60s, we thought we could use
nuclear weapons to do industrial things. But we never could get them clean
enough, we got them pretty clean but not clean enough. The clean weapon is a
neutron bomb. The neutron bomb could be set off up here, 3-4 thousand feet
up, wed all die, the grass is OK, the trees are OK, the cars are OK but we
are water bearing creatures and we would absorb so many neutrons that wed
be dead, instantly. The neutron bomb is in place, most of our
intercontinental ballistic missiles have neutron bombs. While I was at the
test site, Jimmy Carter promised us that... now I happen to be a registered
democrat, so Im not beating up on a democrat here, Jimmy Carter promised
during the campaign of 76 that if elected President he would never, ever
test the neutron bomb or deploy it. What the American people didnt know was
that wed already tested it. And right after he became President, in the
next 4 years, we deployed it all over the world. Theres no reason to lie to
people about that because the neutron bomb, if you have to have a bomb, its
a clean bomb. It doesnt contaminate, hardly at all, its a very efficient
killing machine, yet the federal government chose to lie about it. I dont
know why.
Question: Can you tell us how the chain of command goes? I mean if its not
the president who...
Answer: National Security Council, indirectly. The National Security Council
includes both the civilian and the military, the National Security Council
includes the Joints Chiefs of Staff. Weve come very close folks, a couple
of times, to having a military takeover in this country and Im not one of
those people who goes around saying these things but thats just a fact. The
last one was when Clinton got elected, we almost had a military takeover.
The test site was locked down, thats a term they use, before we had a test
theyd lock the site down. You couldnt go anywhere, for like 2-3 days. And
if you were on the test you were locked within a lock down area. After
Clinton was elected president that November, the test site was locked down
and stayed locked down for 3 or 4 weeks. There was no testing going on.
There was some concern about the transference of power during that time from
the election to January 27 or whenever it was, January 20th, the
inauguration took place. Theres been some pretty scary things happen. The
only reason I knew about it is I worked out there. There would be times when
wed be put on alert, security alert, for reasons that were beyond me. There
were times when things went the other way. Before we set Box Car off, I
called home that morning and told my wife to put a bowl of water on the
kitchen table, now this was 160 miles away, I lived in Las Vegas. I said
watch it, zero time is at 5 oclock. I called from the test site, everyone
in Vegas knew, they stopped gambling during that time because of the roll of
the dice. Vegas shut the casinos down for a few minutes, just the big ones.
Box Car was so big, they had to say something about it, so at zero time,
after to detonation, about a minute to 2 minutes later, my wife said that
bowl of water sitting on the table splashed over and it actually did fall
off the table. And that was 160 miles away as a crow flies.
Question: Unintelligible
Answer: Everything that goes on at the Nevada Test Site is on a need to know
basis. There are 3 words that you will hear over and over, every single
working day youre out there, everything is on a need to know. I was going
to bring my security badge with me and I forgot it, I still have it. I had a
top secret clearance with sigmas on it. These sigmas denoted what
informational areas I was privy to and one of those areas was Area 51. I got
it as a souvenir when I left, I talked the security people into letting me
have it. There are all kinds of people in government that do not have the
need to know of whats going on out there, or at least parts of whats going
on out there. And theyre not told. And that includes the President.
The problem right now in this country is that we dont have an enemy
anymore, I only say that half facetiously, well create one, one of these
days.
Question: I was wondering about your remarks about Clinton, the National
Security Council intelligence arm must be pretty poor if they were concerned
about the transfer of power to a man like Clinton who has become such a
puppet, it just doesnt add up some how.
Answer: I dont mean to sound sarcastic but the term military intelligence
is an oxymoron.
Question: Something about propulsion systems, most unintelligible.
Answer: I can say this, anti-gravity devices exist, where they came from,
thats another matter of speculation. Theyre unwillingness to talk about
things like that within the government stems partly from human nature. If
youre privy to some information that you hold dear, regardless of what it
is, were reluctant to share it with other people. Thats part of the
problem. The other part of the problem is holding on to the information so
it can be used militarily. We have become so used to having any enemy in
this country and the need to have any enemy, another nation state, thats
its gotten pretty bad.
Question: What are your personal views about the future?
Answer: President Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex
before he left office in 1960. I personally believe that theres a reason we
moved to the Black Hills of South Dakota. Partially because were at the top
of the food chain here and the water chain. I like to live in a place where
the water isnt going to be contaminated. I personally feel that theres a
good chance, an excellent chance that theres going to be limited nuclear
war in the next 5-6 years. And whether that escalates into a global
confrontation, who knows. But its going to happen just as sure as Im
standing here. The temptation to use nuclear weapons is getting more and
more, tactical, not strategical nuclear weapons, the tactical nuclear
weapons. We spent a lot of time out there testing tactical nuclear weapons,
150 kilo tons, 150,000 tons of TNT and less. Small devices, devices that
paratroopers can jump out of planes, with them on their back. I can carry
one around in a suitcase and the problem with that is, nuclear devices have
become so small, so compact, so efficient, that if terrorists ever get their
hands on one, and its amazing that they havent, absolutely amazing, its
going to make this thing in Oklahoma City look like a walk in the park.
Because the first terrorist group that gets their hands on a nuclear
device.....you know we all used to say, well, China cant do it because they
cant deliver the weapons, that was a bunch of hog wash. You dont need
rockets to deliver nuclear weapons, all you need is a suitcase, its that
simple. I can give you the address of a company in San Francisco that would
be more than happy to send you the blueprints for a nuclear weapon for
$19.95.
Question: Something about crop circles.
Answer: You know, those crop circles are amazing, I dont know where theyre
coming from. We had places out in Nevada, there were no crops, it was sand
and low bushes, with crop circles identical to those at the test site.
Question: Were we responsible?
Answer: I can tell you one thing, at the test site, it wasnt some prank. In
England some say it was some pranksters but at the Nevada test site it
wasnt a prank. There are no pranks out there.
Question: No sense of humor?
Answer: You know what, actually theres a lot of people that work out there
that do have a sense of humor. I have friend who has a picture of himself
sitting on a nuclear weapon smoking a joint. Now if that were found out,
hed be in really big doggie do-do. But hes a guy that works for Los Alamos
Scientific Laboratory in New Mexico.
Question: Unintelligible
Answer: You see, the insidious part about what we call reality like
radiation... we could be sitting here and right there in that cooler could
be a lethal radio isotope of say cedium? 137 or (something) 90 and you would
never know it. Unless you had an instrument that detected it or if there
were enough of it to where you became sick and got radiation sickness, and
subsequently died. A lot of what we call reality, what we see, we hear, we
smell, we taste, we feel, isnt quite the way we think it is. From a physics
point of view, there is no such thing as color. Were all sitting around
here seeing colors that dont exist. Light is electromagnetic radiation and
its colorless. Our brains interpret different wave lengths of color through
our optic nerve, what our minds call color, green jacket, brown pants, there
is no color there. Your brain is interpreting color, different wave lengths
and I call it green and I call it brown. We mostly all agree on these
things, generally speaking but we all see different things. There is no
color. So you have to stop and think about crazy things you see in the sky
at night that may or not be unexplainable. To someone else may be very
common, very explainable and very ordinary. Im just about to walk over the
edge here... they may not be...if you were to see a person, you may not
recognize that person as someone you thought might live on the face of this
planet. And thats all Ill say about that, I swore to God I wasnt going to
say that.
Question: Unintelligible
Answer: If a race of beings had the ability to travel from Alpha Centaur to
here, they would certainly have the ability to camouflage themselves, either
to where we couldnt detect them or B. - to look like us. Were a diverse
looking race of beings, they could look almost like anything. Theres
creatures on this planet that look pretty strange.
I have a healthy respect for and a fear of my federal government. Because
Ive seen my federal government do some really bad things to people. There
were people out at the test site that were the subjects of radiation
experiments, Ive seen them tie animals down in areas that were going to be
tested, we had a tower out there, it was called Bren Tower, it was 1300 feet
tall and at the top of that tower there was a reactor, unshielded, small
reactor and around the base of that tower for a half a mile or so we would
put experiments out, live experiments and see how much radiation they could
take. How much gamma radiation, how much beta, how many neutrons they could
absorb, these were animals.
Question: When we dropped the bomb in Japan in 1945, we didnt know what the
after effects were going to be.
Answer: When we tested the first device in July of 1945, the trinity device,
in Alamogordo, New Mexico, the scientists didnt know for sure if that
wouldnt cause a never ending chain of reactions and it would absolutely
destroy the world. They knew they had x pounds of fissionable material in
that trinity device but they didnt know if that would trigger more
reactions or not. They didnt know what was going to happen. When they
dropped the Fat Boy and Little Man on those 2 Japanese cities, they had all
this experience of one device. And they dropped those very dirty devices and
the war ended. Personally, I happen to believe that was the thing to do
because I think a million or more Americans, soldiers would have died and a
lot of Japanese people would have died if we had invaded the homeland.
Something else, we have laser weapons now that make nuclear weapons look
pretty weak. We tested a lot a laser weaponry out there when I was there in
the 70s, all kinds of laser weapons. Laser weapons are far more selective.
A nuclear weapon is just a great big bomb that blows up and you have the
radiation and the heat and the wind and all that. Theyre not as all
destructive as people think they are. The new ones arent as dirty as people
think they are.
Question: Unintelligible.
Answer: What I know about anti-gravity devices Im not at liberty to talk
about.
Area 51 does not deal with nuclear weaponry.
Physics, folks, is advancing in leaps and bounds, all technology is
advancing in leaps and bounds. One of the most dangerous things thats
happening to the human race right now is were being left behind. I cant
even run my sons computer as well as he can and technology is going faster
than our ability to keep up with it. And when I say our ability, Im not
talking about just us, Im talking about the people that build it. Were a
couple of years away from artificial intelligence, computerized, artificial
intelligence that has the ability to reason, to think, to comprehend
existence. If you stop and think about that, thats pretty scary. It gets to
the point where maybe we become liabilities. When I was a youngster, Buck
Rogers and all that stuff was science fiction. And its advancing
exponentially. My mother who passed away a few years ago rode on a stage
coach here in the Black Hills. She also saw men walk on the moon. Now you
take another 20 years from now, and when I say its increasing
exponentially, the graph of scientific knowledge isnt going up like this,
its going straight up, practically. Were talking about now, this Area 51
thing, the government will hang on until the last dog dies before theyll
tell you whats going on out there. Even after it becomes irrelevant
anymore, even after it becomes where its no secret. The government still
wont talk about the things that happened in W.W.II, Im not talking about
nuclear things, Im talking about the Philadelphia Experiment, and I
shouldnt have even mentioned that. The government will not talk about all
kinds of things that they already know about.
Question: Something about all the TV programs about UFOs, government ready
to tell.
Answer: It isnt the government loosening up, no. I have friends that work
in government security. And they absolutely gnash their teeth at the fact
that all these things leak out constantly and they lay awake at night trying
to figure out ways to plug leaks.
I think I told you all what I could without laying awake tonight wondering
if I told you too much, I hope it was helpful. The best thing you can do to
keep the society as free and open as possible is to make sure the
politicians we elect to office dont allow themselves to be sucked into the
vortex of secrecy that the government always wants to have. And if you see
anything flying around, believe your eyes, and believe it isnt a weather
balloon, if the government says its something, its pretty safe to
disbelieve them. |