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Baker/Gooch Descendants

The story so far
When I first started tracing my family tree I wasn’t sure how easy it would be. I figured with names like Jupp and Gooch to search for it shouldn’t be too bad. On my mother’s side, Jupp didn’t prove too difficult in the early stages, especially as my Grandfather had always been a family man and provided much of the information. This wasn’t the case on my father’s side, as my grandfather died before I was born. My father died at a young age and didn’t talk much about his family. All I had was a few names and so I began on a journey of discovery.

I quickly found my grandfather’s marriage to a Lily Mawson and delved into the Mawsons’ a bit. The 1881 and 1891 census quickly put some leaves on the tree too. I soon discovered that my grandfather Joseph Gooch was the youngest of 8 children. He had 5 brothers and 2 sisters. The census also revealed the names of my great grandparents, John and Susannah Gooch. From there I traced their marriage and the certificate provided what I thought was the stepping-stones leading back to another generation. The information seemed pretty good, her maiden name was Silver with her father Edward having the occupation of Gardner. John’s father, my great, great grandfather was given as James Gooch with occupation as Porter. Although their ages were not given at the time of the marriage, just full age, I had this information from the census. I had worked Susannah’s birthdate out and once again soon found out quite a lot about the Silvers’. However John Gooch remained a mystery for many years….

We returned to this ‘brick wall’ a few times but couldn’t get past it. John Gooch had always given Norfolk as his birthplace with the village of Blofield mentioned in 1881. The dates suggested a birth year of about 1847 but all attempts to trace his birth in Norfolk failed. Something was wrong, either his age or birthplace must be the reason why we couldn’t find him.

With much of the census returns now available on the Internet, I decided one weekend that I would try and fill in a few gaps that might provide a few clues. I hadn’t prepared myself for what would turn into a series of important discoveries that would finally allow me to solve the mystery of JOHN GOOCH….

The first job was to find John on the 1871 census. At this time there would only be his wife Susannah and first-born Edward. His age, birth county and occupation of bricklayer were all confirmed. And the address in Kensington was no surprise after their marriage at St Martins in the fields in 1868.

So, I moved on to the 1861 census. This would at least throw up some interesting facts and so begin the detective work.

This is what I found:

Address: 43 Duke Street, St. Giles???

Sealam Gooch, 40, Lodger (married), Labourer, Born Hempell Norfolk Ann Gooch, 38, Wife, Born Norfolk John Gooch, 14, Son, Labourer, Born Blowfield Norfolk Maryann Gooch, 5, Daughter, Born St Pancras George Baleer(??), 21, Nephew, Born Blowfield Norfolk

Was this our John? The age, birthplace and address were all okay, but Sealam as father? And where did the Nephew George Baleer fit in? I decided first to concentrate on this Sealam with James (from the marriage certificate) in mind as well. Back in the 1871 census I found them as:

Address: 56a Drury Lane, St. Martins.

Salem Gooch, 50, Head, Warehouseman, Born Hampnett Norfolk Ann Gooch, 48, Wife, Born Blofield Norfolk Mary Ann Gooch, 15, Daughter, Book Folder, Born Camden

This is when I knew I was on to something. On John’s marriage certificate he gave his address as Drury Lane. At this point I was also drawn to a name of a witness to that marriage, Edward Balier. Having looked again at George Baleer it could well have been Balier? It was also interesting to see Ann giving her birthplace now as Blofield, was she a Balier/Baleer?

I pushed on to try and find Sealam/Salem in 1851 and 1881 where he would be 60. Sure enough I found in 1881:

Address: No.1 Strickland Jail, St. Giles (This is an address, not a prison)

Selan Gooch, 61, Head, PORTER, Born Norfolk Anne Gooch, 59, Wife, Born Norfolk

Yet another spelling for him, but a mention of his occupation as ‘Porter’. I was starting to believe that Salem and James were the same person. In 1851 things started to get a bit vague. I found a Salme Gooch as a servant to the Roberts family in Hempnall, Norfolk. His age of 32 was slightly out and he was an agricultural Labourer. If he was our man, where was his wife and son John aged 4?

I could find no matches for Ann or John elsewhere, and began to feel the bricks being cemented in place once more.

I slept on it and awoke with fresh enthusiasm. I had an idea to search for Salem in the marriages and deaths. There was a death in St. Giles (June 1890) aged 70. A birthdate of 1820 indicates it could be our man. But it was a marriage entry in September 1852 that would leave me with a shiver running down my spine. The marriage was to Ann Baker.

Suddenly it hit me. It wasn’t Balier or Baleer, it was Baker!!!

I also found a death of Ann Gooch in St. Giles. March 1902 aged 80 fitted with my birth for Ann in 1822. I then found her as a widow on the 1891 census. On the 1901 census I found her living in St. Giles with her daughter Mary Ann Gooch. She gave her birthplace as Strumpshaw, which is close to Blofield.

This brought me back to 1851 and the whereabouts of Ann and John?

I found an Ann Baker as a servant to the Cooper family in Hempnall just around the corner from Salem. Again she gives her birthplace as Strumpshaw. This could fit if the 1852 marriage is them. But what about John? If he was born in 1847 then this was out of wedlock so perhaps he was not born a Gooch. I went straight to the births and found a Blofield entry for Sept 1846, John Fryer Baker!

I had all but cracked the case. I went back to the 1851 census and found a John Baker (born in Blofield) grandson aged 4 living with a large Baker family. Among them were George from the 1861 census and Edward, our witness on John’s marriage certificate.

Once the dust had settled certain questions remained. On John’s birth certificate no father was given. I guess I will never know for sure if Salem was the father and John and subsequent generations, including myself were Goochs’. From the 1851 census it is clear that Salem and Ann lived fairly close and indeed married in 1852. They later had Mary Ann in 1856. However it is also a strong possibility that John was an illegitimate child born to Ann in 1846 and I will never know the true identity of my great, great grandfather. From Salem and Ann’s marriage onwards John took the name Gooch. Why John gave his father’s name as James on his marriage certificate, remains a mystery.

I went on to find a few more Bakers’ and believe Salem’s father was also a John. I found myself wondering just who I was. Perhaps my name should really be Baker, or something else completely, or maybe Salem played an important part in Ann’s life and I can think of myself as a GOOCH.
 
My Baker/Gooch Descendants


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__________First Generation__________


1. WILLIAM BAKER
Married. SARAH HOUNDSFIELD [15 Oct 1787 Postwick, Norfolk]
Children:

     2.     i.    EDWARD BAKER
     3.     ii.   ROBERT BAKER
     4.     iii.  MARY BAKER


__________Second Generation__________


2. EDWARD BAKER
Born: Abt.1789 [Postwick, Norfolk]
Married: ESTHER CURTIS [17 Feb 1807 Postwick, Norfolk]
Children:

     5.     i.    EDWARD BAKER
     6.     ii.   EDWARD BAKER
     7.     iii.  SARAH BAKER
     8.     iv.   MARTHA BAKER
     9.     v.    ANN BAKER


3. ROBERT BAKER Born: ? [Postwick, Norfolk]

4. MARY BAKER Born: 8 Feb 1807 [Postwick, Norfolk]


__________Third Generation__________


5. EDWARD BAKER
Born: 24 Feb 1808 [Postwick, Norfolk]


6. EDWARD BAKER Born: 13 Mar 1811 [Blofield, Norfolk]

7. SARAH BAKER Born: Abt.1816 [Strumpshaw, Norfolk]

8. MARTHA BAKER Born: Abt.1819 [Blofield, Norfolk]

9. ANN BAKER Born: Abt.1822 [Strumpshaw, Norfolk] Children: 10. i. JOHN FRYER BAKER Married: SALEM GOOCH [Abt. Sep 1852 Depwade, Norfolk] SALEM GOOCH [born abt.1819 Hempnall, Norfolk, died abt. Jun 1890 St.Giles, London] Children: 11. ii. MARY ANN GOOCH 12. iii. CHRISTIANA GOOCH ANN BAKER died abt. Mar 1902 [St.Giles, London]


__________Fourth Generation__________


10. JOHN FRYER BAKER
Born: 6 Jun 1846 [Blofield, Norfolk]
Went by the surname GOOCH after marriage of ANN BAKER to SALEM GOOCH in 1852.
Married: SUSANNAH SILVER [31 May 1868 St Martins in the Fields, London]
         Born. c1842 [Colnbrook, Bucks]
         Daughter of EDWARD THOMAS SILVER [b.c1820 Berks] 
         & Charlotte Bishop [b.c1824 Middlesex]

Children: 

    13.     i.    EDWARD GOOCH
    14.     ii.   WILLIAM GOOCH
    15.     iii.  CHARLES GOOCH
    16.     iv.   ALBERT GOOCH
    17.     v.    ANNIE GOOCH
    18.     vi.   FREDERICK GOOCH
    19.     vii.  EDITH GOOCH
    20.     viii. JOSEPH GOOCH


11. MARY ANN GOOCH Born: 27 Apr 1855 [Depwade, Norfolk] 12. CHRISTIANA GOOCH Born: 27 Apr 1855 [Depwade, Norfolk] Died: c1857 [Islington]


__________Fifth Generation__________


13. EDWARD SALEM GOOCH
Born: 19 Nov 1869 [Deptford, Kent]
Married: ADA LYDIA BURKERT [13 May 1894 Wood Green, Middlesex]
         Born. c1873 [St Pancras]
         Daughter of HENRY BURKURT [b.c1844 Germany] & Lydia ?
Children:

    21.     i.    ADA GOOCH


14. WILLIAM HENRY GOOCH Born: 1871 [London]

15. CHARLES JOHN GOOCH Born: 1873 [Wood Green, Middlesex] Married: AMELIA SARAH CHALK [25 Dec 1898 Wood Green, Middlesex] Born. c1873 [Middlesex] Daughter of SOLOMON CHALK [c1848-c1901] & MARY ANN SILVER [b.c1847 Bucks]

16. ALBERT GOOCH Born: 1875 [Wood Green, Middlesex] Married: ALICE EMMA BELL [25 Dec 1903 Wood Green, Middlesex] Born. c1879 [Middlesex] Daughter of WILLIAM BELL [b.c1845 York] & MARY GRACE ?

17. ANNIE GOOCH Born: 1879 [Wood Green, Middlesex] Married: GEORGE CHAPMAN [26 Jul 1903 Wood Green, Middlesex] Born. 21 Jun 1878 [Southgate] Son of WILLIAM CHAPMAN [b.c1853 Barnet] & ELIZA CELIA CLEMENTS [b.c1851 Southgate]

18. FREDERICK JAMES GOOCH Born: Abt.1882 [Wood Green, Middlesex] Married: ELIZABETH EMMA SWINYARD [12 Apr 1909 Hornsey, Middlesex] Born. 27 Oct 1884 [Hornsey] Daughter of THOMAS CHARLES SWINYARD [1852-1923] & ELLEN FOX [1852-1923] Children: 22. i. ELSIE GOOCH 23. ii. MARJORY GOOCH

19. EDITH MARY GOOCH Born: Abt.1884 [Wood Green, Middlesex] Married: FREDERICK WILLIAM GROVES [17 Dec 1905 Wood Green, Middlesex] Born. c1877. Son of ALFRED GROVES [b.c1835 Islington]

20. JOSEPH THOMAS GOOCH Born: 10 Jan 1887 [Edmonton, Middlesex] Married: LILY MAWSON [7 Apr 1912 Edmonton, Middlesex] Children: 24. i. VERA GOOCH 25. ii. JOSIE GOOCH 26. iii. FREDERICK GOOCH JOSEPH THOMAS GOOCH Died: 1962 [Chichester, Sussex]


__________Sixth Generation__________


21. ADA S GOOCH
Born: Abt.1896 [Wood Green, Middlesex]
Died: Abt.1931


22. ELSIE M GOOCH Information Witheld

23. MARJORY I GOOCH Information Witheld

24. VERA MAY GOOCH Information Witheld

25. JOSIE GOOCH Information Witheld

26. FREDERICK THOMAS GOOCH Married: IRENE CONSTANCE JUPP Children: 27. i. JOHN GOOCH 28. ii. DAVID GOOCH 29. iii. MARK GOOCH


__________Seventh Generation__________


27. JOHN THOMAS GOOCH
Information Witheld


28. DAVID ANDREW GOOCH Married: SUSAN PATRICKSON Children: 30. i. JAMIE GOOCH 31. ii. MICHAEL GOOCH 32. iii. STEVEN GOOCH

29. MARK JAMES GOOCH Information Witheld


__________Eighth Generation__________


30. JAMIE ANDREW GOOCH
Information Witheld


31. MICHAEL GEORGE GOOCH Information Witheld

32. STEVEN OLIVER GOOCH Information Witheld

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