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Three years ago, I attended the inauguration of Dr. W.W. Herenton, the first African-American to be elected mayor of Memphis. The guest speaker was Bill Campbell, the third African-American mayor of Atlanta. To paraphrase his opening remarks, Mayor Campbell declared, "I am a son of the South. I was born in the South, I was raised in the South, and I hope to die in the South. And when I die, I want a Southern minister to preach my funeral, because I'll get an extra hour before they put me in the ground." His humorous intention was obvious, a reference to the lengthy invocation to which we had all been subjected. But more importantly, Mayor Campbell reinforced what every Southerner (black or white) already knows -- the South is just plain different, and proud of it. The most powerful symbol of this difference, in spite of it misuse by hatemongers, is the flag. To display it proudly does not suggest a lack of allegiance to the United States. Instead, it quickens the hearts of those who treasure the Southern way of life. Just as hearing a performance of the "Star Spangled Banner" makes me proud to be an American and contemplating the crucifix on my wall renews my spirit as a Christian, seeing the Confederate flag waving reminds me of how fortunate I am to be, along with Mayor Campbell, a son of the South.

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I cannot understand how the Confederate Flag has gotten it's racist reputation. It has only been the last 5 or 10 years that it has been so, ever since this insipid political correctness nonsense has swept the country. Using the same arguments that the PC crowd uses to claim that the Confederate Flag is racist, I can lay the same claim to the AMERICAN Flag. Slavery was an institution in this country since day one....for at least 200 years before the Confederacy was ever thought of...and for 100 years under the AMERICAN flag.

The AMERICAN flag flew from the masts of the New England (YANKEE) slave ships that brought the Africans to American by the thousands. Not one African was imported to America under a Confederate Flag. The Confederate Constitution banned slave trading (following the first step to end slavery that England used 30 years before)- the US Constitution protected slavery for an additional 3 years AFTER the Civil War.

General U.S. Grant went to battle under the AMERICAN flag and was a slave owner until he was forced to free them in 1868...3 years AFTER the Civil War.

The Emancipation Proclamation did not free all the slaves...only those slaves in the parts of the South...slavery continued in the border states and parts of Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky and Louisiana for 3 years after the Civil War under the AMERICAN Flag.

It is well documented that Abraham Lincoln was as racist as they came. On August 14, 1862, during a meeting with prominent free blacks in Washington, Lincoln is quoted to say " ...but in this broad continent not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours." The purpose of the meeting was to find a place (another country) to export all the blacks to after the war, because "ours (race) suffers from your presence."

And last , but not least, AMERICAN Flags and Christian Crosses out number Confederate Flags 100 to 1 in any photos I have seen of KKK Rallies and White Supremacist gatherings....so if you want to be offended by something, be offended by something offensive.

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Having just found your article regarding the propriety of displaying symbols of the Confederate States of America, I must take exception to the historically inaccurate slant of its contents. For example, you wrote, "People who honor both the United States and the Confederacy don?t see that their patriotism conflicts with their glorification of forces that attempted to tear this country in two." While you obviously intended to attribute this motive of "tear[ing] this country in two" to the South, your accusation is misdirected, to say the least. It was the open and repeated declaration of the Southern leaders that they wished to preserve, not destroy, the system of government which had been bequeathed to them by the framers of the U.S. Constitution. This much is evident in the fact that the Confederate States Constitution was nearly identical to its predecessor. Instead, the guilt for seeking a dissolution of the Union is clearly that of the radical Republican/Abolitionist leaders of the North, who openly and repeatedly declared that their intention to destroy the Constitution and Union, and instigate a massive civil war between North and South.

The historical record is so replete with evidence to support this assertion, that I must wonder whether such articles as yours are not written more with the intent to propagandize rather than offer factual reading material to the public. For example, William Lloyd Garrison, a prominent Republican politician, declared just prior to the War Between the States, "I have said, and I say again, that in proportion to the growth of disunionism, will be the growth of Republicanism.... The Union is a lie. The American Union is an imposture, and a covenant with death, and an agreement with hell.... I am for its overthrow.... Up with the flag of disunion, that we may have a free and glorious Union of our own." Frederick Douglas, also a Republican and one of the patron saints of the modern Civil Rights Movement, likewise declared, "From this time forth I consecrate the labor of my life to the dissolution of the Union, and I care not whether the bolt that rends it shall come from heaven or from hell!" It is also noteworthy that secession had already been threatened on four separate occasions by none other than the State of Massachusetts, and this long before the doctrine was ever acted upon by South Carolina and her Southern sister States.

To the contrary, the Southern leaders were generally opposed to secession, and were only forced to such a drastic alternative by Northern Republican/Abolitionist attempts to stir up servile insurrection and wholesale murder of Southern women and children. Fifteenth President James Buchanan admitted that this would be the result in his address to Congress on 19 December 1859. This agenda had come to a head with the rebellion led by assassin John Brown, whose murderous activities in the Kansas Territory in the late 1850s were secretly financed by six leading Republicans with the goal of fomenting the dissolution of the union between North and South.

Furthermore, taking into consideration the color of your skin (which has little significance to a Christian such as myself, but has become elevated to a badge of inherent honor by the evangelists of the modern "gospel" of political correctness), you may be particularly interested in the racial views of Abraham Lincoln, the man who supposedly "freed the slaves" and "saved the Union." In a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois on 16 October 1854, he said without equivocation, "There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of an indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races.... Free them and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings would not admit of this...." Four years later, in a debate with Stephen Douglas in Charleston, South Carolina on 18 September 1858, Lincoln added,"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about, in any way, a social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, or of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. And I will say in addition to this, there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together in terms of social and political equality. And in so much as they cannot so live, while they so remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." Lincoln, who was forced into issuing his celebrated, but little-understood, Emancipation Proclamation, admitted that the document had "no constitutional or legal justification, except as a military measure," and justified its contents on the grounds that the laws of war granted the right to take property "whenever taking it helps us or hurts the enemy" (Yes, that right: Lincoln viewed the Southern slaves as property). Impartial contemporaries of Lincoln, who had not been blinded by the apotheosis of this wretched excuse for a President which would later be brought about by his assassination, clearly perceived the purpose of the Proclamation to the very same servile insurrection and murder of helpless women and children long threatened bythe radical Northern politicians and feared by the South.

Contrast these sentiments of the United States President to that of Confederate President, Jefferson Davis, who advocated preparing the slaves for a gradual emancipation and for their assimilation into society and who adopted a Black boy named Jim Limber into his own family. Ironically, Robert Edward Lee, the Confederate general, was opposed to slavery and owned no slaves himself, while Ulysses S. Grant, the Northern general, did not free his own slaves until forced to by the Thirteenth Amendment after the War, and even declared that if he thought the War was being fought with the goal of freeing the slaves, he would promptly turn his sword "over to the other side." Furthermore, it is also a long-forgotten fact of history that not a single slave vessel was commissioned by or sailed from a Southern port. Instead, the New York and Boston harbors were the centers of what Robert Lewis Dabney rightly condemned as "this iniquitous traffic." Also, the Confederate Constitution prohibited the slave trade outright, while the United States Constitution allowed its continuance for twenty years after ratification. So, Mr. Davidson, given the criteria presented in your article for the rejection of symbols of the past, which flag does the above historical data demand we reject as the symbol of oppression and racism? Clearly not the Southern one.

None of this information was presented to your readers, and for good reason. If it had been, they would not have been led to your desired conclusion: that the symbols of the Old South are symbols of an ignorant, treasonous, and, oh yes, racist, past which we as "enlightened" Moderns should view with abhorrence. Well, Sir, I as a Northern-born and Northern-indoctrinated transplant to the South and convert to her Cause, am one of your readers who is still capable of thinking for himself -- and I am only one of a growing number of my fellow Americans who are no longer contented to feast upon the revisionist slop which has been thrown our way in the name of history for the last 135+ years. We demand that the truth be told.

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The detractors of the Battle flag have little or no concept of history. The Yankee myth of a righteous north is a lie. Lincoln invoked the slavery issue only after he feared England would side with the Confederacy. The Emancipation Proclamation freed no slaves. Between 60,000 and 90,000 blacks fought for the south to defend their homeland. There was never a Confederate flag flown over a slave ship. The Confederate Constitution outlawed slavery long before the Yankee constitution did. While U.S. Grant was supposedly fighting to free the slaves he had slaves of his own. All of this is fact and can be verified. Comparing the Confederacy to Nazi's shows a complete lack of knowledge. Check the records. It was the Yankee troops who raped and murdered the slaves because they refused to support the Union troops. The battle flag was flown when the Berlin Wall fell and when Lithuania threw off communism. It is recognized worldwide as a symbol of resistance to tyranny.

Long may she wave.

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The Yankees may have fought for union, but the Confederates fought for the Constitution' i.e. the 10th Amendment.

Lincoln arrested 35 members of the Maryland legislature in order to prevent a quorum vote on the constitutionality of secession.

Jefferson Davis refused to request a pardon because he wanted a public trial to prove that the Constitution provided for secession. S. Chase, Supreme Court Justice, said "we better not. A trial might conclude that the north invaded a sovereign nation."

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Bubba's additional note:

The "Civil War" was not a civil war because it was not fought between civilians; it was fought between two distinct nations. It also was not a "War between the States" because it was not fought between individual states.

People also believe that the war Started at Fort Sumpter; in reality, it started when Lincoln called up 75,000 militia in early 1861 to force the 7 seceded states back into the union when he rejected Confederate ambassadors.

Sherman's infamous "March to the Sea" was practically unopposed since he had cut off most of the Confederacy by burning all crops, houses, farms, and looting everything within a 32,000 square mile radious. That's about the size of New Jersy, Deleware, and Maryland. The victims of Sherman's onslaught lost almost everything they had! Ever wonder why people buried their valued things during the war? It was to hid them from the federals. Sherman's path of destruction is what caused much of the poverty of the South today. General Lee himself issued an order for guards to be placed in front of stores in Maryland and Pennsylvania so his soldiers wouldn't go in and steal something that they had not money to pay for.

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